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Terror and Torture

I am opposed to all forms of torture for many reasons. Nevertheless:

Two of my father’s colleagues were severely injured in the Jakarta hotel bombings, and while both are expected to survive they have suffered and will continue to suffer extraordinarily as innocent victims of a murderous act of premeditated violence. One has extensive burns and wounds over his face and body from flying glass; the other had a leg “shattered,” and both will need multiple operations. Of course: many others weren’t so lucky.

My father wrote to me today with the following questions, and should you like to answer them I’d be interested in your replies, but do keep in mind that to write something uncivil simply because we believe ourselves right exemplifies why discourse is usually fruitless. He wrote:

“Pause now to reflect for a moment on the days and nights (including no doubt today and tonight -right now) of pain and anguish these men are in for. Consider that there will be effects that last for the rest of their lives.

(1) Now tell me whether these considerations weigh or should weigh in how we think about the “enhanced” interrogation techniques used on Mullah Omar and other important terrorists likely to possess critical information.

(2) Is it relevant that, forced to choose, most of us would readily submit to water boarding and sleep deprivation before going through what the Americans and Indonesians are experiencing? If not, why not?

(3) Is it relevant that the victims of enhanced interrogation techniques can stop their ordeal by answering questions, but the victims of terrorist bombs can’t? Explain your answer.”

I have my own answers to some of these questions, and particularly the last one, but I am curious of yours. Lengthier comments are welcome here. Thoughts?

Notes
  1. onefootinthegrave answered: it’s trite to say “we don’t torture, because we are the good guys” but I can’t think of anything else. to draw a line between us and them?
  2. chrisooya answered: the terrorists use the same logic as your father. they feel they are victims and use that to justify their aborrent actions
  3. pegobry answered: ‘Taint so simple.
  4. metacritique answered: 1. Yes. 2. It is relevant. 3. It is relevant. Moral relativism is painful, bewildering, and lonely; but moral absolutes are far more harmful.
  5. ilovegold answered: take a look at Lock’s ideas about retributive Justice - it’s quite suprising
  6. moorewr answered: 1) torture can never uninjure another 2) no, because suffering is not zero sum and 3) one can not blame the victim for the abuse of power
  7. squashed reblogged this from mills and added:
    think our answers...these questions reveal something very important about what we believe...
  8. anewnadir answered: 1) no, 2) yes, 3) yes. Fortunately, answering ‘no’ to (1) absolves us from a responsibility to even consider 2) or 3).
  9. romancandles answered: Torture is wrong in all circumstances. Other than the obvious moral concerns, it is difficult to acertain the validity of the information.
  10. nomorewords answered: The first sentence of your post sums it up. If you are “opposed to all forms of torture,” the debate ends there. I am opposed to all torture.
  11. markbringelson answered: I believe it’s been proven that torture, as a means of attaining factual answers, is not reliable and not effective.
  12. gompr answered: 1) Enhanced interrogation techniques are not justifiable. 2) It is not relevant; those are temporary. (3) Relevant, because any answer works.
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